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		<title>Comments Mohamed El-Erian&#8217;s Remarks at the ALOUD Business Forum &#8211; Los Angeles Public Library</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mohamed El-Erian’s book “When Markets Collide” made quite an impression on me last year.&#160; I’ve had the utmost respect for Bill Gross and PIMCO since I read “The Bond King: Investment Secrets From PIMCO’s Bill Gross” a number of years ago.&#160; Both Bill Gross comments and PIMCO’s general position on market conditions were well received [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mohamed El-Erian’s book “When Markets Collide” made quite an impression on me last year.&#160; I’ve had the utmost respect for Bill Gross and PIMCO since I read “The Bond King: Investment Secrets From PIMCO’s Bill Gross” a number of years ago.&#160; Both Bill Gross comments and PIMCO’s general position on market conditions were well received and well circulated back in Chicago amongst the commodity traders I know.</p>
<p>Although I’m about a year slow on uncovering <a href="http://marketdatatrader.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2ZvcmEudHYvMjAwOS8wMi8yNC9Nb2hhbWVkX0VsLUVyaWFuX1doZW5fTWFya2V0c19Db2xsaWRl">El-Erian’s talk at the ALOUD Business Forum</a>, by no means am I late.&#160; The topic is one of mega-trends; the secular shifts that he is framing are one’s that will distinguish generations.&#160; From my viewpoint, this is a must hear/watch/read.&#160; I believe it is so worthwhile that I have gone to the effort to type up the unofficial transcript of what was said.&#160; At the root of why I think this talk is so valuable is the relatively clear and simple presentation of the global financial crisis.&#160; Not only that, but also the perspective.&#160; PIMCO is often viewed as the third branch of government.&#160; To have such a candid, simple, and thorough framing of such a massive life changing event is invaluable.&#160; All of us can take something from Mohamed’s presentation.</p>
<p>I’ll summarize the simple model of the financial crisis that El-Erian presents.&#160; Specifically, he describes four large forces&#8211; the four horseman of the financial crisis: 1) housing, 2) banks, 3) U.S. Consumer, and 4) China / emerging markets.&#160; He claims that they are all simultaneously trying to de-lever.&#160; In reality, this can’t all happen at once.&#160; So, there are curious feedback loops.&#160; Finally, there is one force that is counter-acting the effect of the four horseman.&#160; Specifically, the U.S. government is the sole counter-acting force, attempting to try and inflate what the others are naturally deflating.</p>
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<p>In addition to that really simple model, El-Erian offers the final certainties about the dynamics of such a situation:</p>
<ul>
<li>increased unemployment,</li>
<li>decreased production,</li>
<li>increased role of government over 3-5 years, as government finds itself in greater control of modes of production</li>
<li>transformation of banks into utilities</li>
<li>and shift in global consciousness from an age of entitlement to an era of thrift.</li>
</ul>
<p>The un-official transcript is here.&#160; Please notice that the transcript does NOT include the introduction, nor the actual question and answer session which are a substantial portion of the presentation.&#160; You are still urged to hear the actual talk.</p>
<blockquote><p>“Good morning.&#160; Let me say upfront it&#8217;s a huge honor for me to be here.&#160; I&#8217;d like to thank the Lowry foundation.&#160; I&#8217;d like to thank Andy Knox and Tom who convinced me to be here.&#160; I&#8217;m a nervous wreck. i don&#8217;t like enjoy doing these things.&#160; But, they were persistent and I&#8217;m glad they were.&#160; So, I thank you very much</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to say a few comments before I sit down and get grilled by David, who is standing there because he doesn&#8217;t want to divert attention from me.&#160; He is being very kind.&#160; Let me tell you one thing that Tom didn&#8217;t say.&#160; There is a term that has stuck with me since I was about twelve.&#160; My first attempt at a girlfriend had said this to me and it stuck: &quot;You are a nice guy BUT&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>(laughter from crowd)</p>
<p>and the “BUT is… you are boring and unimaginative.”</p>
<p>and I say this because if my wife were here… and I&#8217;m sorry she can not be.&#160; But, if she were here she would tell you about a year and a half ago I started coming home almost every day and saying to her &quot;You won&#8217;t believe today what happened in the markets&quot; or &quot;You won&#8217;t believe today what happened in the global economy.&quot;&#160; And she would humor me.&#160; She would listen to me and think he really is boring he keeps repeating this thing.&#160; She would change the subject.&#160; Then we went through a period where I would wake her up at 2:30 in the morning when i was going to work and I said “Janie&#8230; get up&#8230; turn on CNBC&#8230; today is going to be a day that we are going to talk about for the rest of our lives.”&#160; She looked at me and smiled and went straight back to sleep.</p>
<p>(laughter from crowd)</p>
<p>Two days later I called her and said <strong>“Janie, go to the ATM and take cash out.”&#160; She said “Why?” and I said&#160; “I don&#8217;t know if the banks are going to open tomorrow now.”</strong></p>
<p>The situation is completely reversed now that the financial crisis has completely hit main street.&#160; She is the one who asks me when i get home “What happened today?”&#160; And not only that, but all my in-laws ask me that question too and I find myself not wanting to talk about it any more.</p>
<p>And the reason I am starting that way is just to convey to you that <strong>we are living NOT just a crisis WITHIN the global system but a crisis OF the global system.&#160; That is a very important distinction.&#160; Because the minute you have a crisis OF the global system, opposed to WITHIN the system, the circuit breakers do not work.</strong></p>
<p>The circuit breakers are not made to be triggered when the whole system is in a crisis they are made to be triggered when elements of the system are in a crisis.&#160; Which means that anybody who gets up and says to you with any degree of confidence “the bottom of the economy is this quarter”&#8230; or “the bottom of the market is that quarter”&#8230;&#160; That person is not being intellectually honest.&#160; The reality is that we do not know.&#160; The reality is that there is no reset button.&#160; It is not as if you drop your phone and you just reset it.</p>
<p>We are in what economists call a multiple equilibrium where the crisis will continue to move.&#160; So what I&#8217;d like to do in my introductory marks is just three things. </p>
<ul>
<li>One, is convey to you what is driving this </li>
<li>Two is to tell you what to look for to tell you whether we are reaching some sort of turning point and </li>
<li>Three leave you with the notion that every single person whether you are an individual a company, a foundation, a government has to navigate both the journey and the destination. </li>
</ul>
<p>We are on a very bumpy journey to a new destination.&#160; Everybody has to ask what are my journey strategies and what are my destination strategies.</p>
<p>[Part I: Why we are in a financial crisis]</p>
<p>The reason we are here is complex but basically boils down to three issues.&#160; We had a number a number of long standing weaknesses, structural weaknesses.&#160; If you go back many people have been writing about the global imbalances.&#160; This notion that the poor were lending to the rich.&#160; It was unsustainable; people knew that. Many people were talking about the failures of risk management; but, like anything that is important but not urgent, the tendency is not to do anything about it.&#160; So these structural weaknesses, while well identified, were allowed to persist. </p>
<p>The second.&#160; As important, is the world had a massive innovation.&#160; A massive financial innovation.&#160; It was called structured finance the ability to take an activity and split it into multiple activities, re-bundle them, and change the characteristic of the activity.&#160; It&#8217;s actually a very efficient innovation.&#160; But remember what happens with innovations in history.&#160; Human nature is to overproduce and over-consume an inn<br />
ovation before we understand it.&#160; We fall in love with what an innovation allows us to do.&#160; But we do not ask the question are we able to sustain it.&#160; And most innovation end in tears in the first round.&#160; People actually loose money in innovation in the first round.&#160; Not all; but, most. </p>
<p>And the third issue is that there was a feeling that it doesn&#8217;t matter because often times you can control the process.&#160; There wasn&#8217;t enough recognition I talk about it in the book: the difference between noise and signals.&#160; There wasn&#8217;t enough understanding that there was signals being sent up that required the public and private infrastructure to catch up.&#160; </p>
<p>So when you have these three issues [global imbalances, massive innovation, and complacency], it is inevitable, it is inevitable that you will have market accidents.&#160; It is inevitable that you will have politics.&#160; That is the world that we are living in today.</p>
<p>[Part II: What to look for… Where are the turning points in the global financial crisis.]</p>
<p>Second issue is that how do we recognize that things are going to change.&#160; At PIMCO we tend to look for simple frameworks.&#160; Simple frameworks are very powerful because you don&#8217;t get diverted by too much complexity.&#160; So if you can get to a simple framework your live gets a lot easier.&#160; And that&#8217;s why we tend to use simple examples.</p>
<p>The simple framework is that you have four massive vacuums right now sucking oxygen out of the room all operating at the same time.&#160; And when you have that happening, the question is first not only how does the weak react [but]…&#160; how does the strong react.&#160; Everybody is going to feel the oxygen getting sucked out.&#160; So there are no sectors that are immune to what is going on.&#160; Whether you are profitable, whether you are loss making, whether you are the United States, or whether you are China, everybody will feel this oxygen effect coming about.&#160; And secondly, it doesn&#8217;t stop until the new machine comes in to put oxygen in [the room].</p>
<p>So what are the four elements?&#160; They are four sectors that are now all shrinking at the same time.&#160; We know about them.&#160; We read about them every day.&#160; We write about them.&#160; </p>
<ul>
<li>The first one is housing housing&#8211; turned in the summer of 2006.&#160; It is still on the way down. </li>
<li>The second is finance&#8211; the banks started turning in the summer of 2007 </li>
<li>The third is the US consumer&#8211; because of pressure from unemployment, wealth destruction… he or she started &quot;turning&quot; in the summer of 2008 </li>
<li>and then after the failure of Lehman brothers&#8211; which truly made a US centric disease a global disease, the rest of the world started turning. </li>
</ul>
<p>These are four massive sectors all looking to de-lever.&#160; The result is you can&#8217;t do it all at the same time.&#160; And you get these negative feedback effects that make it so critical.</p>
<p>So you need a new balance sheet.&#160; You need a new source of oxygen to come in.&#160; Of course, there is only one source.&#160; You may like it.&#160; You may not like it… [it] is the government.&#160; And that is why we read about fiscal stimulus packages.&#160; That is why we read about housing programs.&#160; That is why we read about banks.&#160; </p>
<p>And you should feel sorry for the policy makers. I would hate to be in politics right now.&#160; If you are a policy maker right now, you are flying a plane with instruments that don&#8217;t cover everything, with engines that are stalling, and with a co-pilot that is arguing with you, which is congress.&#160; Do you really want to be a policy maker?&#160; </p>
<p>…</p>
<p>[Part III: Journey to a new destination]</p>
<p>These lead me to the third issue. .. which is ultimately&#8230; what does it mean?&#160; Let me give you [this].&#160; It is not often in our business [that] I can tell you this is unambiguous.&#160; I&#8217;m going to tell you what is unambiguous.</p>
<ul>
<li>It is unambiguous that <strong>we are going to continue to see unemployment go up.</strong> </li>
<li>That we are going to continue to see unfortunately <strong>production going down.</strong>&#160; These are all short term effects. </li>
</ul>
<p>2009 is spoken for.&#160; There is very little upon it before it is over.&#160; More critically… and I was telling David that I look at my daughter every day and I say “Wow!&#160; What world are we leaving you?”&#160; And she is five and half years old.</p>
<ul>
<li>It is unambiguous that we are changing the structure of the world in the following ways first the next few years&#8230; and [you] put a gun to my head and say “What do you mean by ‘few’ years?”&#160; And I&#8217;ll tell you, at least five. <strong>It&#8217;s going to see a very dramatic shift between the private sector and the government.&#160; The government will be a much bigger owner and controller of the modes of production.</strong>&#160; Not because it wants to, but because the alternative is worse.&#160; That has tremendous implications for the long term growth the potential of this economy.&#160; The potential implications of exit mechanisms that no one is quite sure of.&#160; But that is the reality. </li>
<li>The second unambiguous reality is that we are seeing a massive consolidation of Wall Street.&#160; Wall Street is being de-risked.&#160; For those of you who play monopoly, which I am teaching my daughter because chess is providing to be be too hard.&#160; But, those of you who play monopoly will remember the very expensive properties on the monopoly board, the dark blue the dark green.&#160; Very expensive to buy, but once you have buy, you can build hotels and houses.&#160; You can basically collect a lot of money.&#160; That is what the banking system <strong>used </strong>to do.&#160; That is what wall street <strong>used </strong>to do in normal mode.&#160; <strong>The banks are now being turned into the utilities.</strong>&#160; Remember the utilities on the monopoly board?&#160; Very cheap to buy… you can&#8217;t build anything on it.&#160; i.e., you can&#8217;t lever it very much and you can make a living but it is going to be nothing compared to what you used to make.<strong>&#160; The consequences for society of suddenly de-risking and de-levering Wall Street are very large.</strong> <strong>You are going to cause a number of other consolidations that are going to be large.</strong> </li>
<li>The last thing we are changing is the attitude of people.&#160; <strong>We are going from what I call an age of entitlement&#8211; </strong>where the average person felt entitled to consume today on the basis of income that was uncertain in the future,<strong> to an age of thrift</strong>&#8211;<strong> </strong>where the destruction is so large that people are going to become very cautious.&#160; In fact, one of the things we are doing at PIMCO today is to play defense in order to play offense tomorrow.&#160; Not because we have to play defense; but, because, we recognize that the world is changing so much.&#160; </li>
</ul>
<p>Which leads me to my final comment: which is everybody out there in society has to ask the question: “<strong>Do I have a way to navigate the journey?” </strong>and <strong>“Can I position myself for the destination?”</strong> which is the message you hear us saying all the time… <strong>it is different this time around.&#160; </strong>It is ugly.&#160; It is very ugly.&#160; And it requires a retooling.&#160; It requires to ask the question: &quot;Am I still doing the right thing&quot;&#160; Because this is not a reversion to the mean.&#160; <strong>This is something that is we hardly ever see, which is a massive cyclical dislocation in the context of a massive secular realignment.</strong>&#160; And, I leave you with a thought before I get grilled by David that there is nothing easy about a retooling.&#160; It is hard to design.&#160; It takes you out of your comfort zone.&#160; It is not automatic.&#1<br />
60; And it is totally not risk free.&#160; But, if you believe in anything I just said… <strong>the alternative of not doing it is even riskier.</strong>&#160; So, let me stop here and have David ask any questions…</p>
<p>(applause)”</p>
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